Listen, believe, obey, shut up. Specifically, I do mean the Machiavellian rule by fear and division that we are seeing. In any case, we had a final meeting with the pastor and his assistant pastor (who was his son-in-law) to tell them that I was leaving their church. Thank you for all you do. He is angry that they keep on sending texts and emails asking for money. It was so hard not to be bitter, and it took a long time to want to be part of another church and not be so cautious. From your first speaking engagement at Harvest, I have watched your ministry(ies) and have see you be a strong fast speaking, outgoing woman, by ethnic background, yet a humble servant of Christ who feels deeply the impact of wrongfulness. Because there are others that need to also be held responsible. Im sorry that the doctrine that youve been taught says that life is about being kind and nice, rather than about being good. With my life and schedule, my friends are few and far between, and have always been aware that my saying anything publicly about Harvest or James would jeopardize those friendships that I still love and value so much. maybe its time for all of us to wake up. We cant judge the HEART of others, we can judge their actions and behaviors. It never dawned on me that no one from HBC would reach out. I didnt want to risk any negative impacts on my own growing ministry. God loves his Church and we can trust hell do what is necessary to preserve it. The higher the leadership level was, the more protective of James they were. We need to trust Him. Fear. Subscribers receive full access to the archives. The preacher has no support system to fall back on but must find a new church before the new hireling moves in. I dont see anything mean in her commentary. People in leadership are there one day, and then poof! Amen Sister! Reflect about yourself and what steps you need to take to be healed and then to help others heal. Leaders should have secular jobs: There is no timing to sharing pain. So I called one of the elders in the video and got his side of the story. Mind you, I didnt simply walk out. Thank you Yahweh. Harvest womans Tuesday bible study group has not studied a book of the Bible in a couple of years. Also I Cor. The fruit by which JM is to be judged rather is that of his own true m.o. May Our Lord guide all of us and May His will be done above all else. There are no ongoing issues of any kind. I cant imagine a person alive who couldnt look at their life and say the same thing in some area of their dealings with people. As were you, we were grieving and had to pray for help finding that new church. Shes not the only one there are many. I pray to our Father who loves us all that His truth and reconciliation and peace, healing abounds in this circumstance. The message we received was they were sorry we felt that way and they were sure it was not his intention. The elders ordered church members to separate themselves from dissenters for fear of their souls; called MacDonalds critics behavior satanic to the core; and accused them carrying out an attack by Satan against MacDonald and Harvest. Perhaps my fear had its legitimate reasons. That is why we keep talking. Praying for you for healing and for growth and strength during all of this. I should have walked out but, I too, was afraid. And the lies werent just shared by James. However why now? I think that was beautifully stated. Laurie Newman, a Harvest member, told Christianity Today that she believes the church's current leaders, like Bradshaw, are "good people who want to lead the church the way God wants it to. You wrote a blog about how an increase in tattoos was in some way related to a decline in holiness and you were a leader in the church? It is a shame to Christianity what is happening here. I too have had similar experiences in another church (The Chapel). Get the most recent headlines and stories from Christianity Today delivered to your inbox daily. Lina, My wife and I also left our church several years ago. this isnt meant to hurt you but to support those who need it. Of course people can join in with instruments too. I was recovering from the deep wounds and hurts from when we left when this all came rushing back in and opening old wounds. If you know anything about abusive relationshipsHBC is in the honeymoon phase right now.look it up!! I was always greeted with a kiss by a cute missionary girl that went there. Im glad I have stood firm. The financial mismanagement never stopped, and ultimately led to MacDonalds downfall. MacDonald later admitted doing so but claimed it was all in good fun and misinterpreted. (Proverbs 16:18). So great to see your support with your wise comment. I feel foolish for allowing myself to be misled for so long. Driscoll, now MacDonald. There are questions the leadership at every such megachurch should be asking. Im not on FB, so I didnt see your post where you extended an invitation to us to meet with you again. The moment I read about someone saying something about planting child pornography on the Christianity Todaycomputers, I knew I had to figure out what the heck was going on. Lina, Pray for those still there trying to care for the confused and hurting hearts. I can see you have regret for not having the courage to do it then but youre working to make up for it by speaking now. One person (not from Harvest) asked if I needed to call the church to cancel my membership. We continue in prayer for all those affected near and far. As happens in evangelicalism, Harvest effectively became its own denomination, with MacDonald at its head. Thank you for teaching even in the midst of giving your testimony. Sports Betting Hits a New High: A Crisis in the Making? How do you know it wasnt done with fasting and with prayer? We dont know if He will allow Harvest not to crumble. Saying he had hit a "wall of exhaustion" in June, Lead Ministry Pastor Greg Bradshaw said he is not only leaving Harvest, but also the ministry. You are completely right on! Find a church with great accountability. Yet Jesus was not the mission even though the pastor spoke of Jesus. Well, that same year, my wife was hired as the childrens pastor at the church we had been volunteering at on Wednesday nights (because our church had nothing going on) and I myself have been ordained as a deacon and have even had the privilege to preach on a Sunday morning. I simply could not reconcile the lies that were shared from the pulpit with the truths that I knew regarding issues in the church. 4. Agreed Sheila. Thank you for coming forward! I am so glad Lina has spoken up. Can Bubble Tea Bring Gen Z into the Chinese Church. While every major financial decision was supposed to be examined and approved by the churchs eldersand it was claimed that this was casethis was not actually happening. You have every right to speak up; and I respect you for doing so. No One Knows. While regret cant look back, we now live in a different era than we did four years ago. I just want you to know that what you did at HBC mattered, and your presence is greatly missed. 7. Transparency in finances I attended Harvest for five years, and left five years ago. All Rights Reserved. Let us examine ourselves for unconfessed sin and seek to live in fear of the Lord lest bitterness overtake us.. However, James is not the same person he was when he began that church and if he was to continue leading it, he would hurt countless others. Now, the church has decided its longtime leader wont be coming back. You are speaking the minds of the many who did not stand up to James as they felt at the time, based on fear of public shame, and damage to career, to stick their heads in the sand and not speak up. While tens of thousands flocked to campus, school officials met in a storage closet to make decisions that would honor what is happening.. Who Will Pay for the SBCs Abuse Reforms Over the Long Term? Lina, He wants a huge army of women indwelled with the Holy Spirit to point people to Christ. It helps to be able to talk about it instead of feeling like you have to hide it, or just deal with it. Lean should read it and reply in kind. Muller had prematurely announced the pastors departure on Friday morning on his show on WLS 890 AM, going on to declare on Twitter, Conman Boss James Macdonald OUT of Harvest Church!. I wondered if you had become a full time missionary and if that was why you quit writing. As of November, 2021, HBC is $34,000,000 in debt. Wow. The womans bible study lead by two women who referenced Pastor James constantly are still in charge. I also was silent about why my family left (also the week following the video). Others wised up and slowly left. I would ask you the same question? The evangelical megachurch system, where multilayered ministries form around a single persona, leaves ample room for mismanagement and abuse of authority. Harvest will also reimburse MacDonald another quarter-million dollars related to selling his former home and transfer compensation related to his retirement benefits. Lina you were humble and owned more than most. He bullied his way into being paid multiple times for the work he was hired to so as the pastor, sermons and bible teaching. 1.) Woah there Nellie! This all happens when we gather, grow and go together as followers of Jesus. Then the board announced its executive committee would be resigning over the next few months. However, he ultimately agreed with the wave of backlash his pastor-friend now faced, condemning how MacDonalds drama had overshadowed Harvest and threatening a class-action lawsuit yesterday if MacDonald remained its pastor for another week. In announcing MacDonalds termination, Harvest elders stated they are committed to fulfilling our fiduciary duty as the leadership of this congregation, knowing that at times the outcome may be misunderstood or emotionally painful. My response, Why? He (the pastor) basically told us we would never work in ministry (volunteer or vocationally) because we didnt understand biblical authority. Now the Chicago-area megachurch is sharing details of the settlement and has apologized to its former pastor, who was fired in February 2019. There is nothing concealed that will not be disclosed, and nothing hidden that will not be made known. It permeates through the woman that you are. I loved his book Vertical Church. I feel like I cant trust my own judgment any more. Lina Abujamra who once was the Womens Ministry Director at Rolling Meadows explained how she ran afoul of the elders and why she left in the course of time. I was too afraid to ask her why. That is, so many think that the church is the pastors ministry and they dont adequately facilitate the ministry of believers. My heart breaks for the people that have been hurt by this on both sides. I believe this is God working to expose sin just as Jesus warned Luke 12:2-3 Those that have gone through it ask themselves, should I speak up?. In good conscience we walked away too knowing it was the right thing before God.So now I get your story, you were a favorite of Kathy and James so I am sure to take a stand against the injustice at Harvest was not at all an easy decision.So many other godly people got pushed out for speaking up about the entitlement and harshness of James and other Pastors and Elders.So very sad somewhere along the way they just forgot they are supposed to be shepherds and servant and not the guards defending the many sin issues at Harvest. Every weekday, get RELEVANT's top five articles delivered to your inbox! Five years ago, Harvest Bible Chapel, a Chicago-area megachurch with multiple campuses and an average weekly attendance exceeding 12,000, sent shock waves through the Christian community when it publicly excommunicated two former elders and indirectly censured a third. Truth is truth. Church Online is a place for you to experience God and connect with others. Plus Lina Abujamra on Why She Left Harvest Bible Chapel | Wondering Eagle, How Christians Care for One Another When Their Leaders Fall BCNN1 WP, How Christians Care for One Another When Their Leaders Fall Urban Christian News, How Christians Care for One Another When Their Leaders Fall BCNN2, How Christians Care for One Another When Their Leaders Fall | BCNN1 Black Christian News Network, From Mars Hill to Harvest: Hope for a Wounded Church Bible Talk. It is a cry to the current leadership, to evangelicalism at large that there are some very serious problems that need to be dealt with. These patterns were present and recognized as early as 2012, and nothing was done about them. It wasnt that we saw corruption in our church. Our cold hearts lack love that shows the world we are His. Thank you again, Thank you for your honest post. Dull other times. Your daily news briefing from the editors of CT. I also assumed that because of the size of Harvest, those closest to you would reach out. You can read about the continued corruption and fraud here: Dan George's Resignation. As Pastor James has said in the past, truth and time go hand-in-hand. He kept going back to you disobeyed the pastor so youre wrong (me in this case for talking to the youth and his mom about it after it happened). Again this is HER TRUTH! Precept Inductive Bible Study for Women. The small church that I and my family left was a textbook case in spiritual abuse. I am sorry I am so late to discover this article but I had to respond to this comment. I have always wondered why? The reason there are spiritual Pol Pots that number in the thousands like our friend James McDonald is because men are happy to give themselves authority. Others have asked, but immediately defend the senior pastor and church. [], Lost me at the private jet shared with Bill Hibel. The congregation has been deceived, lied to, and hounded to give sacrificially, all the while the senior pastor has been making hundreds of thousands of dollars. Thank you for the courage and humility it takes to write a post like this. Most of my friends as well. I will only say that if it is right and important to address a culture of fear within the church, it is equally important to address the same for our country. I love you and our Lird. Thats what happens to us as individuals and us as a collection of people. I choose to stay through this pain because, for me, leaving would create a wound that would never really heal. Praying for this church also that Gods Holy Spirit is cleaning/healing/humbling/teaching his people. Nellie, please dont be taken in by putting people on a pedestal (very sad.) Not saying thete arent strong christians in leadership at this church but it does always seem that when pride gets in the way of leadership it hurts that person and everyone around them. The culture of fear, intimidation, and secrecy has poisoned not just Rolling Meadows and its campuses, but also trickled down through the fellowship. Mike Winger Discusses When God Hardened Pharaohs Heart, Tennessee Church Showcases Tyre Nichols Photography, Louisiana Pastor Sentenced to 5 Years in Money Laundering Case Involving Nearly $900K in Stolen Funds, Steven Curtis Chapman First Contemporary Christian Artist To Earn 50th No. Pastor James this and Pastor James that. James MacDonald (born October 4, 1960) is a Canadian-born evangelical Christian pastor, television evangelist, and author. It takes a long time. Others, too, could see the attitude. I dont know you personally but appreciate all you continue to teach me and countless others. I was there when Ted launched. I left Harvest CL 3 yrs ago after being forced out of a ministry and other thingspart of the membership indoctrinationyou are not allowed to say anything disparaging against church leadership or the church. Because she is helping expose evil and proving that is is deep and wide and on going. Praise and Worship is congregational: What happens next? She was obedient to Christ. Love my bible sisters. So the Harvest Bible Chapel elders fired him, fired him from pastoring his own church, which of course was no longer his church to make decisions for, but theirs, as a wholly owned subsidiary. James could have easily prayed, [] There are a couple of other reads that came to my attention this evening related to Harvest Bible Chapel that I wanted to make people aware. God bless you. is it the pastors doing? The Asbury Revival Is Over. You are a fraud and a liar! When I asked questions at the Harvest I attended I was told to be careful what I read on the internet. Good word, my sister. I stay with confidence that God will not be mocked, he knows the perfect balance of justice and mercy, he will redeem this pain and we will witness HIS power in HIS church. Over the summer, they agreed to try to make a joint statement and start the process of relational reconciliation, the Harvest elders said, but the efforts didnt pan out. He told me that I would be cursed for questioning his authority and God would punish me. BTW, Ive loved your blogs in the morning, but cant read the Twitter ones because I am not on Twitter. If the church treated Lina this way, they will do it to you and others without a second thought. It doesnt mean anything.. He is not being bullied. While only a handful showed up, the range of their pain was wide. I should have left that week, but I was too afraid to cause damage to Jesus and His kingdom and the women I was leading at that time. Get the most recent headlines and stories from Christianity Today delivered to your inbox daily. We did not want to cause a split or damage the cause of Christ, so we quietly left. (My) fear was in upsetting James Thank you for your vulnerability. DIRECTIONS & INFO | . Bless you! Oh my how that resonated with me and the experiences my beloved and I have had with churches in the UK. Fear that your leaving would damage those you ministered to. I am sure that was very hard for her to share . Doesnt matter how long ago it happened either. Maybe you were called in front of the elders and asked to rewrite because thats horrendous theology and an awful way to be an ambassador for the Gospel. Im thankful you followed the Lords leading in these stressful and difficult circumstances. Being part of Harvest, and hearing how the utmost leaders were tattooed with the Vertical Church logo, as I prepare the lesson, I cant help but wonder about the tattoo on the bodies of those who accepted the mark of James as their alliance with the Vertical Church of James. I have never attended Harvest. I remember when I saw the tattoo that James got and I remembered the line from The Davinci Code about the Chevron symbol. The elders were given a paper that laid out their duties, that mostly consisted of protecting, encouraging, and blessing the senior pastor. Ive tried to cover everything in prayer but I dont feel God right now. 2.) But, thats my opinion. . Im grateful that the sin of James and the elders/staff who allowed his tyranny to prosper is finally coming to light, so that the abuse can come to an end. He did the same. Structure: the structure of My Dream Church is based on the New Testament Body Of Christ Sheri coordinates data collection and assists with day-to-day office administration for the church staff. Please pray for all of the member/attendees who are struggling, as we are grieving a loss of our church base and have felt the wrath, unfortunately. Be on the alert, stand firm in the faith, act like men, be strong.. There were several close family deaths, lost our home, business and more. You said, out of fear, I complied. Her first year at college and her first visit to Harvest RM. God opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble. Amy. Others had old wounds that had resurfaced and were hurting, having never felt closure to their stories. and manifest character, which have been revealed to speak not of the Holy Spirit of love, but rather have the love of money and power and the very reek of Hell about them! Many might wonder why it all still matters to me so much. Because ultimately what God wants is not a huge army of women who are nice. On February 13th, the elders at HBC fired MacDonald, citing highly inappropriate recorded comments made by Pastor MacDonald that were given to media the day before. I thank you for your willingness to risk being misunderstood while offering your experience to help reduce the shame of others, who need a hand to hold, as they work through their own healing. Thank you for this. What would it take to convince an elder board to question its pastor? When God led me to leave HBC, I remember being so sad and afraid and wondering if I was hearing Him correctly. For years, I kept believing the deception fed to the congregation by the elders. While I have no say in the future of Harvest, it is ridiculous to think that any healthy future can take place until the cancer is removed. If you know anything about abuse it can take years to come forward. The reason why people are coming out now or again is because finally due to being outed on a National Radio program something is finally being done. No one wins here-except our enemy. Sunday Service-10:15 AM/Wed. He is doing a new thing, and I will stand with my brothers and sisters in Christ and praise his Holy name through it all. This woman sounds sincere. I really doubt theyre sending texts and emails asking for money. Be blessed dear Sister. I didnt want to upset James. Fear can lead to many sins. I didnt want James as an enemy, as being on the inside knowing and seeing how he could and would destroy others in ministry if they challenged him. A friend sent me a link to sermon about this yesterday: https://radical.net/sermon/kingdom-community/. model and not on the Old Testament hierarchical model. Others had old wounds that had resurfaced and were hurting, having never felt closure to their stories, Abujamra, a Bible teacher and Moody Radio host, wrote on herblog. Welcome to the Video Broadcast ministry of Cornerstone Bible Church. A final incident in Roys article involves MacDonald publicly berating HCA students, an incident witnessed by Harvest videographer Luke Helmer. And this was all the way back in 2012). The church was growing at the time. Life goes on people repent and grace is for everyone. Could you provide me with a link please. We are taught in Gods Word that it is Christs love that ought to control us. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISjXhWUyGi0&list=PLud2nIxx0IAT58I8QPBdfrOz8bFMQQcd6&index=4&t=0s. We left a church where the pastor specifically told me, I am in charge! He said this while glaring at me and enunciating each word. God loves truth. For a great many, it's time for the cult of personality of James MacDonald at Harvest chapter to close and the actual Bible to be opened again., Today on his edgy radio show, Muller said while he felt MacDonalds firing had to happen, he also had wanted nothing to do with any of it and now my part is done., I feel like God was using me in this, he said. Hi Lina. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); LIVING WITH POWER MINISTRIES: 119 S EMERSON ST. #213 | MOUNT PROSPECT, IL 60056 | 224-634-6777 | [emailprotected]. (function($) {window.fnames = new Array(); window.ftypes = new Array();fnames[0]='EMAIL';ftypes[0]='email';fnames[1]='FNAME';ftypes[1]='text';fnames[2]='LNAME';ftypes[2]='text';fnames[3]='MMERGE3';ftypes[3]='text';}(jQuery));var $mcj = jQuery.noConflict(true); Copyright 2023 Living With Power. May God be glorified through this. Thank you for sharing your story, Lina. Ross, It is a really strange thing when persecution comes from the pastor and elders. Typical gossips and power struggles are only the surface. Thank you for your honesty and your explanation. We repent, forgive and are reconciled; we do not get even, hold grudges, refuse to forgive, or destroy innocent bystanders caught in the wake of it all. Jesus is still the great healer and restorer. Once a preacher condemns other, that is the sign that he is trying to avert attention from what he is doing. Our good is like the filthy rags of the leper! Still, even I knew when enough was enough. 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